The only official unit construction Works BSA trials machine  Registered 92 HOH.  Here is the True Tale.

 

 

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Ray and Derek Round riding the Works BSA outfit 92 HOH.

 

OK ,Today I continue my story into the Hero's of the  last days of

British Trials Machines  History.

 

 And a Story which I helped to create and- end too.

 

Well at the end of 2010 I was asked by the daughter of one of my trials friends that I grew up in the sport with, to try and locate there old Works BSA trial's outfit, 92 HOH.

The BSA Works outfit  had gone missing since Ray had sold the plot in 1976.

 He had sadly passed away, and her dad Derek had vowed to find there old Works Outfit to restore while he still could.

What a gesture not for his financial gain but just to put a closure to his and his brothers mostly unrecognised fame has BSA works riders.

And have something to remember there past with.

Well the only link I had with the trials community was Trials Central. so set about trying to find the outfit by starting a forum story.

 This led to an unsuspecting link?

 Well if you read the pages on TC, "92 HOH is Lost",

 You will see what I mean.

My ex wife's brother mailed me to say that Tim Fairbrother was the last person he knew that owned the plot. I mailed Tim, and later we had a chat about the bike, and other things in today's scene.

 

 Photo taken by Mary Wylde Courtesy of Deryk and "Offroad Archive".

 

This photo of Tim  after upending the plot on the ledge that the late Jack Mathew's is walking up, this is the way the section ran, plotted by Deryk Wylde, the AA man  giving a hand is Will Hawke's friend with the ex brother in-law.  and I might add both still friends with me? ( Offroad Archives) thanks Deryk .

 Volume Two of Offroad Revu-e  is now out .

The Photo below is how they got into the situation, nasty.

 

Tim's first mail to me.

 

Tim Fairbrother.

When I joined South Midland Motor club in 1960 Ray & Derek were already members and campaigning a Bill Howard supported Gold Star, the engine of which I have in a road bike.

Naturally I followed there progress with Interest & when in 1968 I took up Sidecar trialing we built a 440 BSA outfit to the same spec as theirs.

When Ray and Derek moved on to using a B50 engined bike I believe the factory disposed of 92 HOH .

Ray then started using a Kawasaki outfit, and I loaned the B50 for a few trials prior to building a B50 of my own.

The only information I have about 92 HOH was a conversation I had with Peter Roydhouse about ten years ago who knew of its whereabouts in a very sad state in Yorkshire.

I may well of told Derek this when I last saw him .           

If I can be of any further assistance please feel free to contact me, as I am still involved with the sport.

Regards Tim.

 

Photo Mary Wylde Courtesy "Offroad Archive".

Now  back the right way up they dont have chairs in Australia?

 

Photo taken by Mary Wylde, Courtesy of "Offroad Archives"

Here the Fairbrothers  Tim and Pete , taken by Mary at the last section at Cwmcwefru in one of the Frank Jones trials that I organised. Cheers Deryk.

 

This looks to me like the 440 BSA outfit if you look at the forks, the two shots above this one, is either the works B50 or the one the Fairbrothers built.

 

OK you know that all of these pages I do evolve when new information arrives, and this is the case here.

Deryk sent me a couple more photos that Mary had taken that we thought on first look were of the Round 440 Victor outfit? yes I know the one is upside down and a job to tell.

Then I found out the first mail I got from Tim Fairbrother, and reading it now, that I really didn't properly the first time.

It now transpires that The Fairbrothers did never own one of the Works BSA outfits and there bikes were just exact copies of firstly the 440 Victor outfit, and then the same with the B50 outfit.

And then all they had done was to borrow the Rounds B50 for a couple of trials whilst building a replica of that machine for themselves. 

Back to the pictures above well after  getting back to Deryk, he now thinks, as do I ,that the shot of the plot upside down is in fact Jack Mathews's B50 outfit that Deryk says also had a big woopsie at the same section.

So the photo above that is actually Tim Fairbrother and Will Hawks up-righting that outfit for Jack who is walking away from it up the step. But has you can see Tim has also took the plunge has Deryk said, Just look at his back he is soaked.

Now the  bottom shot of the Fairbrothers pushing the plot out of the section with some help, Is just them being to helpful again like all chair guy's are. 

The outfit although the nose of the chair looks a lot like the nose of the Rounds HOH Victor outfit, If you look closely at the photo the engine in the plot looks like a AJS or Matchless?

So you see how you can get things wrong by just assuming.

I will have to get Tim to explain, did they actualy have or build a Matchless/AJS outfit or was it someone elses?

 

Back to the Story.

The story continues I told Natalie that Tim had said that  the late Peter Roydhouse had told him that.

Some guy in Yorkshire had now got the outfit but it was in a sorry state.

 She put an add in the Yorkshire evening post , well actually got a reporter to do a piece for the story.

Well, well known trials rider, enthusiast ,and I hope he does not mind, eccentric, Mick Wilkinson answered the request for information, and phoned Natalie with a phone number of the guy that now owned the Works bike.

 Derek visited the farm of the new owners and took a look at the bike, but the owner could not agree on a price  for the lot so that it could return into the hands of the rightful owner ,that only wanted to restore the bike ,for the memory of his late brother Ray.

 I will continue with this story when I find out any-more information. It would be good if Derek got the  bike back to restore though would it not?

 

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Well here is 92 HOH in it's sorry state , just a sad old bike but part of "British Trials History"

 

"Least we forget"

 

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Pages Courtesy BSA Competition History.

 

So we found the Outfit, Yes the side-car was there too, but had been taken off, so that the owner could ride the bike to round up cattle so I am told.

 

Anyway a bit of history about the outfit 92 HOH.

***This Snap of the Round  boys was all that Natalie had as a refrence to try and find the machine.

 

Here is the History of the Plot 92 HOH.

Arthur Pulman, first built the plot in 1962 moving on from his works ride on the Scott-Wade D,O,T machine, to a new contract with BSA.

The side-car was again built with the L shaped  diagonal linked  suspension the same has was used on the DOT outfit, this came from his spell in the aircraft industry and was up to that sort of standard.

The bike frame was basically one of the last batch C15T frames with adjustment.

By 1963 Arthur was using the outfit now fitted with a B40 unit engine, and winning the Knut trial in the autumn of that year with 22 marks lost.

The engine was eventually replaced with the 441 cc Victor unit, but the chassis remained the same throughout its career.

Deryk has kindly sent me this picture to use from the "Offroad Archive" again.

I could not put these stories together now without the help of Deryk,I must say. Thanks mate.

 

 

Arthur and passenger Tim Jenkins at the top of Downscombe in the 1966 Beggers Roost trial

Information Courtesy Deryk Wylde.

 

From Roger Wall. 14/06/2017.



Reference The Famous BSA 92HOH Trials Outfit. 

Please could you pass these photos onto Natalie of the famous BSA 92 HOH Trials Sidecar.

Myself Roger Wall and brother Trevor Wall bought the bike from Ray, my brother Trevor worked for Ray as a motorcycle mechanic form the age of 15 to 17, Ray sold us the BSA Trials Outfit and then mentored us for many months, we followed Ray around many trials,

We the Wall Twins knew both Ray and Derick Round families well and I'm a little surprised that this section was missing, Derick worked on many building contracts for my father George Wall, 

We eventually sold the BSA Outfit to our Club Secretary of the South Birmingham Club Tim Fairbrother who's family we knew well, we the Wall Twins went on to be "Works Factory "Trials Sidecar riders for Bultaco and Ossa, we had a lot of admiration for Ray and Derick as they both helped us get started into the sport which we are truly thankful for,

Kind Regards,

Roger. 

Roger wall.
Charlie> Thanks Roger for updating the story for us, this seemed to slip us bye in the past ,but a good true story usually sorts itself out. and adds to the history. thanks again.

 

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The Wall twins aboard 92HOH.

 

 

Roger and his dog, looks alot like my old dog. too.

 

An old newspaper shot of the twins Wall.

 

And trying hard on the Bultaco outfit that replaced 92 HOH.

 

To Be Continued.

It is now more than two years since this story so I am getting back to the investigation and trying to find out If the bike is still in the barn or if something sensible has been done and the bike as been restored.

Watch this space.

2016.

Well as far as I know the remains of the works outfit still lays in a barn somewhere in Yorkshire.

What a shame that a machine with oodles of British Trials History should end up in this sorry state.

Well after the week of trying to persuade the Classic trials Nation to get some sense before it is to Late,

 One of the few connected to the trials outfit community from this time the early sixties said that him and fellow long term exponent of the three wheeled "Barrow" boys Doug Sherbourn, were going to make a last ditch attempt to show the young guys how it was done in this years 2016 Sammy Miller rounds.The man that helped to get you home many times in the past is AA roadside assistance Mr Will Hawkes, the guy in the second picture down helping the New owners of the ex Ray Round BSA outfit the Fairbrother siblings out of a spot of bother.

 

Read what "Will" said on the "TRAD" page.

So I have a second batch C15T frame unit along with a QD back wheel.

I will get a pair of Ceriani forks has used by the Rickman Scramblers at the time, and have a Ariel Leader front hub that I was told was going to be the next addition to the works outfit until BSA pulled the plug.

I have a fair amount of the right parts to build a 350+ engine and like I said on the other page ,I wil try and get Roger Taylor to build the engine unit up for me ,has he knows what goes into a top rate BSA sidecar engine.

I will over the next week try and get more information about the sidecar design that Arthur put together for the BSA and the DOT outfit.

 Being an aircraft components designer  Arthur knew what he was doing.

 

This is Ian Hannan and Sue Smith with there Roger Taylor engined outfit trying very hard.