Pre65 Survey page Yes, No, answers

All I want to know is, do you think that,

The way forward to continue with the "Pre 65 machine"class, is to let modern build bikes into this same class or not.

"A".Yes, "B" No.


Or should we have another seperate class for these bikes, "Pre65S".

"A" Yes, "B" No.

Are you happy with the organisers of the  Scottish 2 day event determining P65 machine and parts eligibility for all UK P65 events?
"A" Yes "B" No 

So all you need to do is, add  Three of the above,"A"or "B", first, and  "A"or "B" second, and "A" or "B" third.



 So it should look like this.  (example)....."A"-"B"-"B", or other combinations.


And then we can collate the figures once a week, to find a result by *April the first 2018.


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Thank you for your time. Charlie~Oo>


Not sure if I have done this before but will go BAB.

After reading the Ariel build which I thought was brilliant it got me thinking all about replicas and their worth.
Having seen several Ariel,s going the wrong side of £15000 and no doubt they cost a huge amount ,why is it that original bikes make far less. One Ariel was sold the other day for £10000 and another two for around £8000 and these were original with two claiming to be factory bikes

It would seem that pre 65 bikes buck the trend were replicas sell for more than orginals, so we're does that leave us. Unfortunately I think this is putting the younger generation off buying say a C15 in bits and converting into a trials bike. Even experts ! on some web sites say unless you have proper forks ,aluminium hubs etc do not bother, putting off prospective future riders.

We must encourage all to build what they can, enter events and get going, remembering it's the rider not the bike as I know only too well !
My answer Bab .how would you define pre 65 and pre 65s bikes who would inspect bikes before trial. money has spoilt the pre 65 scene .are these replica reh forks ans yokes anything like the originals
Dear all.

Having built dozens of trials machines from the mid seventies right up to this this week I feel compelled to comment and probably get shot down in flames, but here's my two bobs worth.
I feel that anything built, that could have been built in 1965 should be allowed, Why not?
If a person had built a trick frame from R531, cast his his own conical hubs and fork legs etc from Electron in 1965, would there have been some pompous scrutineer banning the bike from competing?
Mono shock rear suspension, USD forks, Disk brakes etc had not been thought of back then, but innovation was rife, albeit, with what was available. Things were evolving on a monthly basis and there were lots of builders coming up with new ideas weekly, so what has changed? Pomposity? Was Mick Mills put into a "special Class" just because his frames were trouncing the opposition? Or told, "Sorry Mick but thats too Star Ship Enterprise for this trial"? I also love to see specials and clever, well engineered machines and I laugh at the "sticks in the mud" who mock them, but I feel its unhealthy to get too Remain or brexit about it. So I must refer to the old aviation saying "if it looks right, it is right". There is a picture on this site of a "V" framed machine with a Cub engine in it, the Gas Gas look-alike, this is clearly taking the proverbial and you don't need to be a scrutineer or pompous to spot the difference. Or am I missing the point?
A(riel) B(sa) B(31) C(15) D(14).
I love them all so please keep building and riding your Cubs, Cfers, Ariels, Bantams, Matchless', Dot's, Cottons! Greeves and Villiers they are all "s**totters"....
B-A(sub-class)-B. Sadly perhaps too little too late from all involved, too much ignoring the damage being done by fake bikes, from riders cheating for decades, from publications still acting oblivious, from regulators being incompetent, from fabricators making fakes to clubs not enforcing the rules, especially now that the original bikes and the original series have all but been lost. Good luck though all the same no matter if or when an attempt is made to start again.

B-A-B. I love to see specials and the ingenuity and hard work that has gone into them but the replica frames should be in a special class. I have built a Greeves Rigid with a Triumph 350 twin just for the fun of it. It’s a great bike and rides very well but is frowned upon by some. I don’t mind that but then modern replicas are allowed to run and pick up awards. For me the last straw was the Drayton being allowed in the Scottish.
Keep up the good work.
Keep up the good work Charlie.
Regards Steve
A and B
There could be one more question: "Should we define the trial as having Pre-65-type sections or suitable for Pre-65S- class?
I think , A and B thank you.
there is your example.